Top reasons why gujjar protest is illegitimate

gujjar-protestAs the opposition in State and Centre are squarely blaming Raje government of Rajasthan for the current unrest over Gujjar demand for Scheduled Tribe status, ‘vote-bank politics’ cannot be ruled out behind the past and present agitation. What the political parties are trying to do is to gain as much from the present strife that has so far claimed 50 lives and injured scores. But is it really legitimate on the part of gujjar leaders to protest in such a violent manner? Besides all those reasons that Raje promised, meenas are taking undue advantages of reservation, and blah-blah, as you can read in an article from Shail Mayaram (Professor and Senior Fellow Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, Delhi), we have some other issues to be addressed. Let us find out why gujjars do not deserve reservation.

  • Gujjars are not tribe in anyway. Neither by definition nor by status. They have been a royal clan of India in medieval time when Gujjar-Pratihar clan was a ruler of a large part of northern India. There were many small kingdoms of gujjars even until late 18th century. Some gujjars migrated to Kashmir and were not allowed to have same social status as their counterpart in Rajsthan and Haryana regions. They indeed qualify for a scheduled tribe status and were given the same (The Gujjars and the Bakarwals-a sub caste of gujjars in Jammu and Kashmir were notified as the Scheduled Tribes vide the Constitution (Scheduled Tribes) Order (Amendment) Act, 1991.According to the 2001 Census of India, Gujjar is the most populous scheduled tribe in J&K, having a population of 763,806. Around 99.3 per cent population of Gujjar and Bakarwal in J&K follow Islam.). This gave a reason to protest to gujjars in Rajsthan, who were in no way a tribe and always considered as kshatriyas.
  • Gujjar leaders keep giving example of meena tribe. Though giving reservation to meenas is a mistake in itself as they were also very prosperous group in Rajsthan, but they at least were a tribe till independence. Meenas were living mainly in confined areas of Rajsthan . On the other hand gujjars are a nationwide caste. They are in Kashmir, Punjab, Haryana, UP, Rajsthan, Maharashtra, Asaam, MP, Jharkhand etc. They are not tribe, they are caste and they have OBC status already. So just because jats got the OBC reservation and competition increased in OBC category, demanding for SC status is highly outrageous.
  • Gujjar leaders are provoking the people to harm national property and still claiming that they are doing Satyagraha is making their moral ground very weak. Do protests, burn effigy of Raje or whatever, it is a democratic country, but restoring to violence is unacceptable. In this way leaders of gujjar caste are only responsible for the death of innocent gujjars. This can trigger of a very unusual situation. Many other castes can start such violent protest for illegitimate demands. I am waiting to see the response of our dear Arjun Singh on this.

At the heart of the Gujjar protests is a critique of a model of economic growth that has not trickled down. But means should be as good as your demand and if even your demand is not truthful then you are doing a unlawful act and it should be treated like that.

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15 thoughts on “Top reasons why gujjar protest is illegitimate

  1. I do not support any sort of reservation, if any section is weak then government should provide support to it but not privilege and if after giving support (same opportunity in education and financial support), it still can not compete with other sections then probably they doesn’t worth of support.

    And the habit of vandalism and harming national property in the name democratic right should be strictly discouraged, the leaders who initiate these “aandolans and band ” should be held responsible for any harm to national property and they should be forced to compensate all damage as penalty and criminal case should be lodged against them. They should made to fill fine for not only direct damage to properties but also for all the damage that occurred due to disruption of transportation and other disruptions that occurred because of there so called “band”.

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  2. hi
    sitting in front of computer and writing any thing is always a complex thing
    for the reader that what u want to say?one side u r saying that gujjar’s hv nt eligible for reservation and on other side u r in support of sc/st reservation only account of their history.
    why u are nt comparing them in present context means their social economical status.In Rajasthan more than 30 MLA’s r from ST communitY and gujjar hv only near about fifth of their.

    i am very shocked that being a educated person ,u still compare
    people on basis of their history……..

    still more later

    hamid khan

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  3. >>”one side u r saying that gujjar’s hv nt eligible for reservation and on other side u r in support of sc/st reservation only account of their history.”

    Gujjars are not eligible for sc/st, because they are not tribe. I support reservation for genuine tribes. These two are not contradicting statements dear.

    >>why u are nt comparing them in present context means their social economical status.In Rajasthan more than 30 MLA’s r from ST communitY and gujjar hv only near about fifth of their.

    30 MLA’s are from many tribal groups in total not from one of them.

    >>i am very shocked that being a educated person ,u still compare
    people on basis of their history……..

    We have to. The whole idea of reservation is based on social deprivation, which depends on community’s history and current situation both.
    See you later Hamid.

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  4. I am quite agree with Hamid Khan…

    You are saying thr are 30 MLAs frm so called tribe groups. tell me one thing how the hell these 30 MLA’s families are eligible for 15% reservation.

    i totally accept dat may be forefathers of these 30 family were in very poor conditions but it make no sense to giving these families this kind of support today.

    This is just an example of a very big flaw in our reservation system.

    I don’t think there are more then 4-5 caste, in which whole junta, belong to dat caste, need reservation. Man… we are living in 21st century and things have now changed a lot. nowdays ppl have been so mixed in main stream, its very hard to recognize the status n condition of a person on the basis of his/her caste.

    Sometimes i do agree with the fact that there are still some families [hardly there’ll be more than 4-5 caste or groups] in India who need reservation or one can say reservation help them some way or other. But in that case there must be some other factors like TAI [total annual income/property] to make the basis of reservation.

    >>i am very shocked that being a educated person ,u still compare
    people on basis of their history……..

    >>|>>We have to. The whole idea of reservation is based on social deprivation, which depends on community’s history and current situation both.

    Tell me one things in current scenario what is the significance of so called reservation basis “social deprivation”.
    this whole idea of social deprivation is BIG SHIT. thr is no sense to compare ppl on the basis of their castes.. one side government oppose castesim n on the other hand government is comparing ppl on the basis thr caste.
    WOW… isn’t dat sound gr8 shit.

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  5. hi
    >>”Gujjars are not eligible for sc/st, because they are not tribe. I support reservation for genuine tribes. These two are not contradicting statements dear. ”
    **it is true that,in rajasthan the gujjar,s are not tribes(but in jk,hp they are).
    being only sc/st should be eligibility for getting reservation in your view
    their present condition means nothing……

    “>>30 MLA’s are from many tribal groups in total not from one of them.”

    ** majority are from only one types………

    >>” The whole idea of reservation is based on social deprivation, which depends on community’s history and current situation both””

    ** why reservation and who are the eligibles
    at the time of independence ,social deprivation was one of the finnest way to do that and to make mass of india dynamic and to contribute in development of economy of INDIA.
    But presently it is not the case,
    DEPRIVATION is not directly prop to sociality…….
    so parameter should change for reservation should be free from their
    historical background…….

    still more later………

    bye

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  6. I do agree that reservation on the basis of social deprivation would be worst criteria for eligibility, it make no sense in current scenario as mentioned above nowadays people have been so mixed in main stream, its very hard to recognize the status n condition of a person on the basis of his/her caste. Also please tell me single caste that after applying reservation for about 60 years have become “forward” from “backward”.

    So its looks like solution is found we should apply reservation on the basis of financial condition and all will be happy except politician but there is little problem, today I am writing to a forum where people are discussing if any caste’s demand on review for definition of backwardness of castes is right or wrong and I am very sure if we apply reservation on the basis of poorness then after some years there would be a forum where people would be discussing whether someone’s demand for review of his poorness is right or wrong, look what happened because of reservation, I don’t know whether gujjars are sc/st or obc but one thing I can see is that one is willing to declare itself more backward if it can get more privileged, if the purpose of reservation was to lift social economic status of “historically backward” then just look what happened.

    I think every one understands how dangerous this demand is, if completed then it will trigger chain reaction and if denied still will ensure such demands will go frequent now, my friends these are the reasons why I oppose whole idea of reservation, reservation is just a tool to help country grow in balanced way but this tool failed badly because of human psyche of looking for free meals. What purpose this tool serves, if one MLA is elected it gives profit to only one family instead if we open one school with good facilities that can make sure students studying in it can compete with students of private schools then it will uplift hundreds of families, why should not every child born in India have confidence that it doesn’t matter what his caste is, what is financial status of his parents is, only thing matters is he is citizen of India and this fact alone is sufficient to ensure he will get equal opportunities to build his life, he doesn’t need reservation, he needs equal opportunity.

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  7. This is so true that wrong implementation of reservation has created a lot of problems. But saying that there is no social deprivation is also a grossly wrong statement. It is true that in urban areas nowadays people do not care for one’s caste and economic level is more important factor. But the villages (65% india) are still very much in grip of this problem. People of higher caste do not abuse a lower caste person due to fear of “Harijan Act” etc., But they do not like to maintain an equal relationship either and the bigger problem is that lower caste people know this mentality, which finally results in social deprivation. I belong to a so called upper caste and have seen this in my own village.
    Surely urban areas are better in this parameter, but there also are many people, who do not want to eat at any lower caste home. This is why we still need some tool to fight social deprivation.
    Implementing reservation on economic basis is not a very good idea practically as it is very easy to fake your economic condition document than caste document. You must have seen people taking improper advantage of mean cum merit scholarships.
    So, what I am saying is that implementation is surely faulty, but not the concept.
    I can surely give you example of caste upward movement. Yadavs, Lodhs in UP are now much more respected than 50 years ago due to reservation and other benefits.

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  8. why social deprivation is still here even if reservation has been implemented for the last 60 years……..
    bcoz starting was not so absolute …………
    by giving reservation on social deprivation,u r still realising them that ,particular person is from lower class and other one is from higher class.
    so mission for eradicating social deprivation has been failed.

    by implementing “HARIGAN ACT ” u can only shut the mouth of higher
    class but what about felling .

    as u know that in INDIA ,reservation is the favourite van by which u can go up to hight but what about sociality,they r still fighting?/
    so we should take the recommendation of “MADHBAN MEMON COMMITTE” for anti discrimination:
    that reservation should not be based on one’s CASTE,SEX,RELIGION.
    but should be reflection of one’economic index.

    and one more imp thing, parameter for economic index should be made such that no one could cheat ………….

    bye

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  9. Gujar Places In Pakistan

    The thousands of places were named after the Gujjars and their sub-tribes in the Sub-Continent during the period they ruled over the South and some part of Central Asia. In these days an interesting discussion is going on as to who the Gujjars or Gurjars are? I am mentioning the name of some places situated in all the four provinces of Pakistan. This do not include the villages named after the Gujjars situated in Jammu & Kashmir, Northern Areas and the Tribal Areas. I will updating the visitors of this site after I complete the data in respect of these areas. I will also try my best some time later to provide the name of villages after the sub-tribes of Gujjars. The following data will help the analysts and historians to draw some befitting and logical conclusion.
    I will be highly obliged if any brethren may add to my knowledge by mentioning such places named after the word Gujar, Gujjar or Gurjar, situated in India or any other part of the world. Kindly forward this despatch to other sites discussing the Gujjar’s dilema.
    Regards

    Ch. Muhammad Ashraf Gujjar,
    Advocate High Court,
    m_ashraf777@hotmail.com

    P U N J A B PROVINCE:

    DERA GHAZI KHAN DISTRICT
    THOKH GUJRI

    LAYYAH DISTRICT
    GUJRAT

    MUZAFFARGARH DISTRICT
    GUJARWALA

    RAJANPUR DISTRICT
    KOTLA GOJAR
    GUJAR WALI

    FAISALABAD DISTRICT
    CHAK 217/GB GUJJAR PIND
    CHAK 176/GB PALA GOJRA

    JHANG DISTRICT
    JAT GUJJAR

    TOBA TEK SINGH DISTRICT
    GOJRA TEHSIL

    GUJRANWALA DISTRICT
    KOTLI GUJRAN

    GUJRAT DISTRICT
    GUJARPUR
    DHOK GUJRAN
    GUJJAR KOTLA
    KULEWAL GUJRAN
    KHANPUR GUJRAN

    HAFIZABAD DISTRICT
    GUJRANWALI
    GUJAR KE

    MANDI BAHAUDDIN DISTRICT
    GOJRA

    NAROWAL DISTRICT
    GUJAR WALI
    BHABRA GUJRAN
    BERA GUJRAN
    KHANPUR GUJRAN
    CHHANI GUJRAN
    DEHLA GUJRAN
    PAILA GUJRAN
    GUJAR TOOR
    HAJI PUR GUJRAN
    DARYA GUJRAN
    KOTLI GUJRAN
    BADALA GUJRAN
    NIKI GUJRAN
    JHOMIAN GUJRAN
    GUJRAT
    NADALA GUJRAN
    BALA GUJRAN
    BHERON CHAK GUJRAN
    TEHRA GUJRAN

    SIALKOT DISTRICT
    GUJARKE
    GOJRA
    GUJAR KALLA
    GUJAR GORAYA
    GUJRAL
    GUJRAN WALA

    KASUR DISTRICT
    GURJKE

    LAHORE DISTRICT
    NAWAN PIND GUJRAN
    HANDU GUJAR
    QILA GUJAR SINGH
    WARRA GUJARAN

    OKARA DISTRICT
    GHOUS PUR GUJJRAN

    SHEIKHUPURA DISTRICT
    GUJAR PURA
    MAHMOON GUJAR
    KALA GUJAR
    KOTLI GUJRAN
    RATTA GUJRAN

    VEHARI DISTRICT
    GUJAR

    ATTOCK DISTRICT
    THATTI GUJRAN
    DHOK GUJAR

    CHAKWAL DISTRICT
    BHATTI GUJAR
    MOHRA GUJRAN
    PINDI GUJRAN

    JHELUM DISTRICT
    WARA GUJRAN
    GUJER PUR
    KALA GUJRAN
    THATHI GUJRAN
    GUJJAR
    GUJAR KATARIAN

    RAWALPINDI DISTRICT
    GUJAR KHAN TEHSIL
    GOJRA
    MATUA GUJAR
    DHANGDEW GUJAR MAL
    JAND GUJAR
    GURAH GUJARAN
    PHAMRA GUJRAN
    KALA GUJRAN
    BHANGALI GUJAR
    ARAZI GUJRAL
    DHOK GUJRI
    BHADANA GUJRAN
    DANDI GUJRAN
    KHURAM GUJAR

    MIANWALI DISTRICT
    GUJRAN WALA
    GUJRAT

    KHUSHAB DISTRICT
    GUJRANWALA

    North Western Frontier Province(N. W. F. P.)

    D. I. KHAN DISTRICT
    GUJRAT
    ABBOTTABAD DISTRICT
    MASAH GUJRI
    GUJRI
    BAIN GUJRI
    HARIPUR DISTRICT
    PIND GUJRAN
    MOHRRA GUJAR
    KOHISTAN DISTRICT
    GUJJAR BANDA
    GUJARYBAKE
    GUJAR KHEL
    GUJAR BANDA
    GUJAR BANDA
    MANSEHRA DISTRICT
    GUJRAN
    GUJRA
    GUJRAN DE GAL
    LOWER DIR DISTRICT
    GUJAR KALAI
    GUJAR ABAD
    UPPER DIR DISTRICT
    GUJARA KILI
    GUJAR LALA
    MALA-GUJAR
    MARDAN DISTRICT
    GUJRAT
    GUJAR GARHI
    Mohalla GUJARAN
    Bakhshali
    PESHAWAR DISTRICT
    CHOUHA GUJAR
    MIAN GUJAR

    S I N D PROVINCE

    KARACHI DISTRICT GUJAR CHOWK,
    Manzoor Colony
    Gujjar Nallah

    BADIN DISTRICT
    GUJRI
    LARKANA DISTRICT
    GUJHAR
    SANGHAR DISTRICT
    GUJRO
    GUJHERAN
    GUJHRO
    SUKKUR DISTRICT
    GUJRO

    B A L U C H I S T A N PROVINCE

    AWARAN DISTRICT
    GUJARO
    KHUZDAR DISTRICT
    GUJAAR
    BOLAN DISTRICT
    GUJAR
    PISHIN DISTRICT
    GUJIR
    DERA BUGTI DISTRICT
    GUJRO
    ZHOB DISTRICT
    GURJE ZAI

    ISLAMABAD CAPITAL TERRITORY (I.C.T.)

    KANGOTA GUJRAN
    DERA GUJARAN (SECTOR G-10)
    GOHRRA GUJARAN
    MARRI GUJAR, TALHARR.

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  10. What avenues has the Indian Political and Bueraucratic Establishment made available to people with lack of resources to get ahead in life besides a draconian reservation system of quotas in government jobs and colleges, that you would consider the gujjar demand illegitimate who are hurting because their traditional sources of livelihood (mostly subsistence agriculture) are disappearing due to water shortages and changing climate.

    Maybe the Gujjars do not have the imagination to see any other way out of their predicament but reservation quotas for being able to survive, but to have idiotic government leadership at both the State and the Center level who do not have the ability to even identify the problem correctly is a tragedy.

    It is a sad day in 61 years of our so called democracy when we can find the time to still cry about Jalia walan bagh but not raise an eyebrow when the tax payer funded police shoot to kill unarmed protestors, who have no choice but to disrupt life in the face of a political and bueraucratic culture totally unresponsive to people’s need unless they are disruptive.

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  11. hi,all
    First of all gujjar are not tribe or adibasi and means are not too. The only tribe in rajasthans are vill and some others smaller groups.To give the ST status to means are also faults and are not faier to the villa and others, so it is better to put the means to the OBC n rise some percentage of OBC quota is the most fearier option as i think, hoping for kind respons .
    Ayam

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